(Kadamba Kanana Swami, September 2013, Cape Town, South Africa, BYS Lecture)

kks_radhadesh_lecture under the tree_2013I’m thinking about Carl Jung who in an interview was asked, “Mr Jung, would you say that you believe in God?”

That’s a basic question when you interview Carl Jung because everybody knows that Jung was very religious.

But Jung said, “No, I don’t believe in God.”

The interviewer was shocked. Shocked! How could he say this? Jung? What happened? Did he lose his faith?

Then Jung said, “No, I don’t believe in God. I know that God exists!”

Now we’ve come to the fourth level. On the fourth level, we go beyond belief – we go to the level of experience. Here we break through into a mystical realm, a realm where there is an experience of a higher reality, where there is an experience of divinity that goes beyond theory.

I’ll quickly do a resume in numbers. In level one we are concerned with basic survival; in level two, with relationships; in level three, with enquiry into the purpose of life; and level four is actually a knowing of the mystical reality and having an experience of divinity. In level five, we have a full experience of living in that reality. In level five, one lives in one’s spiritual identity, and one is in this world as a liberated soul. Externally one may be here, but internally, one is in the eternal spiritual reality. So these are the levels of consciousness that are depicted in the vedic literature.




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